Thursday, February 4
7:00pm PST
Fic-Club Topic Discussion: Sanctuary by jfly
Fic-Club members in attendance:
Chele681 (theficclub)
ikss
KrisBCullen
Conspicuously Absent: twanza
ikss: Yay! KrisB!
KrisB: yay ikss
theficclub: Not sure if Kris pinged, but I'm dragging her in anyway...
ohh, there she is
ikss: Oh..
KrisB: yeah, I want to be here!
ikss: right on...now miss twanza...
theficclub: Miss Twanza... is in a cab....
ikss: brb...getting more carrots :)
theficclub: Will hopefully be here in a bit, but we shall start without her.
ikss: back
theficclub: okay, soundcheck?
ikss: OK so have we all read through the last chapter?
theficclub: Yes, finished this afternoon....
ikss: oh and a reminder - just edit out my typos
theficclub: ditto.
ikss: I reviewed this afternoon. though not everything
KrisB: the nun with the miracle time (although that's a diff chapter)
ikss: (re-entering after being kicked out of the chat) well hello
so hey about that sanctuary...
KrisB: hello
we were just discussing the benefits of Proactive jacking
ikss: hmmm
theficclub: I couldn't tell if it was typical teenage boy behavior, trying to knock him down in front of the girl, or if there was a definite splintering of their friendship
ikss: Oh! that part!
theficclub: I mean, Edward is so driven by his guilt, it's phenomenal...
ikss: why yes, it is that
KrisB: It's rare to see a character as self-loathing as he is
ikss: god love a catholic
KrisB: he makes canon Edward look practically happy-go-lucky
theficclub: ikr? makes canon Edward downright carefree in comparison.
I'm not entirely familiar with the level of dogma, so it's been quite enlightening for me..
and a little shocking..
ikss: shockin?
KrisB: I was raised Catholic - so it's been kind of like flashbacks for me
ikss: ooh...a recovering catholic in our midst
KrisB: I wonder what would have happened if he hadn't been switched from Forks to the Catholic school
theficclub: I'm sure you see levels of this that I don't even comprehend.
KrisB: yeah - still recovering
converted to protestantism when I got married because I thought it would be just as easy to be a lapsed prot as a lapsed cath - i was right
theficclub: That really makes me wonder if Jake's tormenting is really his way to express his frustrations with the way Edward has changed..
ikss: I was never a catholic
but I have had a thing for Priests for many years
KrisB: I do think that jake has issues with his level of devotion
ikss: It's the robes
Oh we're being serious
theficclub: gotta love a man in a dress?
KrisB: when I had Penance (first time you go to confession - 5th grade) every girl wanted to go to Fr Serra because he was young and cute. The other priest was sitting alone in the confessional and Fr Serra had a line out the door
theficclub: hahaha... so typical
ikss: I do think Jake is frustrated with the way Edward changed, Kris
Jake feels competition from god
which is tough competition in anyone's book
theficclub: insurmountable
KrisB: Since jake and edward both end up at cath school for behavioral issues, I would assume Jake resents the change in Edward too
but I also get the impression that his mother, who was very devout, had him saying grace and being fairly religious even before cath school
Poor guy is embarrassed about everything about himself - being smart, being devout, being handsome
theficclub: That's true.. it's got to be ingrained in him.. and so he slips into it easily
KrisB: tough gig
ikss: anyway, I also blame The Thorn Birds for my obsession it priests
theficclub: Priests are a challenge..
makes them hot by definition.. forbidden and all that
KrisB: Not too many attractive ones in my parishes (except Fr Serra)
theficclub: Edward would be like forbidden fruit
no wonder his indiscretions make the paper..
ikss: ah..the forbidden, hot, fruit
KrisB: no question about it - and in a town the size of Forks, with rumors already swirling about Bella... he was doomed
it was a miracle he had not been caught in PA - I think he realized that when Emmett mentioned The Lighthouse
ikss: it's just too bad they didn't catch him lighting up a dooby
KrisB: but I think part of him wanted to get caught
theficclub: I wonder if Jess is going to stand by him?
KrisB: I'm sure she will
ikss: yes, he wanted to get caught
cuz he was too much of a pussy to make a move forward otherwise
theficclub: you think so?
I guess that is the nature of a truly good person..
KrisB: I think there are people who will see it the way Carlisle does - what he did makes him a bad priest, not a bad man
theficclub: makes sense.
he was quitting anyway, though.. right?
KrisB: I think he wanted to get caught even before Bella
Bella pushed him to finally be the one to make the decision
theficclub: wanted to get caught.. or wanted the failure?
to be exposed for the man he thinks he is?
ikss: I don't think he was going to quit until something forced his hand
KrisB: I think when he started, he wanted to be a good priest
theficclub: really? I got the impression he didn't have other choices.. and was going to be the best he could be
ikss: i agree - he had no other choices & felt obligated to Carlisle
KrisB: but when he couldn't make his "profane" urges go away, he decided to do the best work he could, and he did an almost Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde thing
theficclub: total Dr. J and Mr Hyde... the urges he suppressed became concentrated...
KrisB: ikss had me reading this and Hide and Drink at the same time - very similar undertones
Jekyll and Hyde all the way
theficclub: haven't read that one.. good?
KrisB: amazing
ikss: now I’m all about Volition
KrisB: no more recs! you're killing me!
ikss: LOL
well, next week we're supposed to discuss Son of a Preacher Man
so at least read that one
KrisB: twanza loves that fic
but Carlisle found a place to draw the line that was more appropriate than Edward - but he's the same
ikss: I think the difference is that Carlisle was meant to be a priest
KrisB: I think Esme would disagree
ikss: Whereas edward? Not so much
theficclub: yes.. Because Carlisle is at least Jimmy carter style lusting in his heart for Esme, no?
ikss: but you can love without… you know…LOVIN
KrisB: Esme grew up at a time when there was less free access to sin - so he learned to contain it better because there were no outlets
KrisB: I meant Carlisle up there sorry
if there had been a Lighthouse 20 years earlier, he'd have been Edward I think
ikss: really?
I don't think so
I don't even think Edward's issues have anything to do with sex
theficclub: So you think his relationship with esme is non-sexual?
KrisB: I think his relationship is non-sexual, but he loves her and she loves him
ikss: but Carlisle is a totally different man
theficclub: Yeah. I'm not so sure if He'd have gone all Lighthouse...
I do think he is cut from a different cloth, so to speak
ikss: yes, agree that they are in love
KrisB: what do you mean by Carlisle is a diff man?
ikss: "Gone Lighthouse"
it's the new catchphrase
"I've gone all Lighthose" means you're slutting it up
KrisB: for him to have lunch every day with Esme? scandalous
Imagine his personality raised in the Madonna era - he'd have been at the other end of the bar avoiding eye contact with Edward
theficclub: That's true.. I think Esme and Carlisle probably approached their relationship with a more clear level of expectation... Probably not sleeping in the same bed.
ikss: anyway, I meant that Edward transfers everything he has –
his guilt, his feeling, his every thought - into sex
Carlisle doesn’t do that. he wouldn't need to end up at the lighthouse
theficclub: That makes total sense...
Carlisle allows himself the intimate friendship with Esme
the daily connection.. It's channeled in "healthier" ways
ikss: exactly...carlisle has what he has with Esme...edward was wracked with guilt over every little thing because it's never enough
so he subverts all of that through his wiener
KrisB: for the time that they started, though - not much difference
that was the era of Rob and Laura in diff beds on Dick Van Dyke
If it were truly a calling for Carlisle, I think he would have seen that it wasn't for Edward
I was appalled at the recruiting strategy
theficclub: Appalling, yes, but [was it] that unusual...
ikss: that is interesting about Carlisle & Edward, yes
theficclub: The church needs bodies...
He sees the good in edward, and thought that is could benefit him
KrisB: the same organization that blasphemed his mother, though?
theficclub: well.. bad form.. yes
ikss: I have a hard time understanding carlisle's thoughts in recruiting edward, actually
theficclub: which chapter is this?
ikss: edward just talked about it like two chapters ago
when he was smoking pot with jessica, yes?
KrisB: a little, but I'm pretty sure it's detailed earlier
ikss: So while i was reading today, i came across this line in like chapter 11:
Except that I love you, and my entire world stopped making sense the moment you pressed ice cream against my cock.
theficclub: oooh, that line is awesome
ikss: Seriously, would it be weird to have that written on my tombstone?
KrisB: Here's the recruitment
Father Cullen stood there next to the deputy who hadn't bothered to break up the fight that left me broken. Father Carlisle Cullen, whose eyes shone with grace and mercy and love and forgiveness offered me the only path that was left available. I stared into his eyes without moving from my mildewed mattress. I stared until the image of his face was burned indelibly into my mind. And then I let my eyes fall in resignation. I understood as my gaze drifted down to his neck and the collar of servitude that rested there. I understood the irony of my future.
My purgatory would begin before my body would be allowed to rot.
ikss: Yes, but my excerpted line has the word "cock" in it...
KrisB: that is an awesome line about the ice cream though
theficclub: yeah.. he obviously doesn't go in with the best attitude..
hahahaha
hahahahaha
He speaks of the collar as if he's going to be shackled
ikss: well, he's pretty much felt that way all thru the story hasn’t he?
KrisB: yes
he's been atoning for his sins since before he really had any
theficclub: It's a nice setup foe the freedom he feels when he wakes up
ikss: as I re-read today, I was struck by how little empathy or real caring he has for the people around him
KrisB: I really thought he had empathy
but it was wrapped up a bit in resentment for the sacrifices he had to make to give it to them
ikss: it is only after he makes his decision that he can look upon others charitably
theficclub: And his resentment toward Newton.. I wonder if Newton is really that deplorable, or if Edward is projecting his distaste for himself and jealousy over his higher level of dedication.. I think she hints at this
ikss: yes, maybe that's what it is
he is resentful, above all else
KrisB: I think that's true with Newton
ikss: and again -
it comes out thru his wiener
KrisB: he's angry that Newton has done better with his hell on earth than Edward
ikss: yes, perfect obsv abt Newton
theficclub: Yes.. Imagine the man he can truly be if he can continue to genuinely care about people, and not feel so disgusted with himself?
I wonder if Bella will forgive him?
KrisB: we said it early - the self-loathing is incredible
ikss: well, seeing as this is fan fic I say she will
KrisB: I think she already has
ikss: but SHOULD she?
theficclub: eh... hard to say...
KrisB: I don't think she knows enough, but I think she should
the old "he who is without sin"
theficclub: If I were her mother, I'd say no..
KrisB: she's just as guilty as he is
the forbidden fruit thing - she knows he's forbidden
and climbs into his room
theficclub: but since I've had intimate knowledge of Edwards inner monologue..
I'm gonna give him a free pass..
ikss: yes, but that hasn't stopped her from being very forward
some of the things she's done!
theficclub: Perhaps more so..... She's got malice aforethought..
who sneaks into the priests window?
KrisB: exactly
theficclub: the town slut..
that's who..
not that I think that's a bad thing....
but it wouldn't paint her in a very good light, obviously...
ikss: seriously
KrisB: she falls for him when she doesn't know he's a priest
ikss: yes, for like five seconds
KrisB: but if she found out that he was married at that moment, how would we view her actions
ikss: she finds out he's a priest pretty quickly
KrisB: she doesn't know until after practice, right?
ikss: yes, after practice
then don't you think...
hmm...maybe I should NOT climb in thru his window...
theficclub: ikr? I mean, I'm glad she did.. very short story otherwise
ikss: maybe I should NOT touch his erect penis, by the way
you know...his being a priest and all...
KrisB: how long after
ikss: when she saw him like the next day
KrisB: maybe not ASK to touch it
or see it
or sleep with it
theficclub: Yeah.. when choosing a man with which to explore one's sexuality, there were probably better choices..
but, on the other hand... If edward had shut her down, definitively..
the first time...
IT's a partnership...
they would make fun parents...
ikss: yes, it is all edward's fault of course
he is the guy, after all
theficclub: I’m... I'm calling this one a tie
a fortunate one...
ikss: seriously
how hot were those scenes when she was all explorative?
theficclub: It's that dance, game of chicken.. waiting to see who's going to blink first.
ikss: this story makes me feel the need to say many hail marys and our fathers
theficclub: ummm yeah... We do like feeling naughty...
KrisB: I just checked - she doesn’t find out he's a priest until the baptism
days later
theficclub: yeah... but for sure she know's when climbing in the window...
ikss: So kids. It’s 11pm your time now. Any words of wisdom re Sanctuary?
as sort of a summation to our dissertation here?
KrisB: near one of my fave lines "God Bless lactation"
theficclub: 1. Edward makes a hot Priest.
ikss: oh yes...God Bless Lactation
theficclub: 2. "God Bless lactation"
Make that #1
ikss: and remember to always share your weed with your priest
theficclub: At least offer.
It's only polite
ikss: it's polite
LOL
theficclub: hehe
ikss: I owe you a coke
theficclub: 3. Only Edward could make riding a moped seem sexy
ikss: The Confessional Wank is the Sexiest Wank of all
KrisB: But he's now going to be a hot ex-priest, so the mystery is will Princess Bella let him cross the moat and storm the castle?
And will fair Jessica be lady in waiting, or will she profess her love?
ikss: i feel some moat crossing and castle storming coming soon
KrisB: good lord I hope so
theficclub: yes.. #4
KrisB: and what is up with the lady that rubs her naughty bits up against the grate? Eww
ikss: seriously, wouldn’t that hurt the naughty bits?
not to mention...unsanitary!
KrisB: sure seems so
I'm retroactively grossed out for every trip to the confessional
theficclub: Might want to take a Wet-Wipe in there.
I worry about Jessica
I think she may flip it and try to claim it.
just saying
KrisB: and I hope he gets better transport than the Vespa
theficclub: Yeah.. kind glad he crashed that badboy
last vestiges of his former life's failures
and that takes something, cuz that was no walk in the park to begin with
KrisB: OH - we cannot part without paying homage to the Hairection
funniest freakin thing I've read in a long time
ikss: #5 always hide the wet spot when Mike comes to collect the laundry
oh yes! Hairection!
theficclub: ooh, where was the hairection?
ikss: when they first meet
Bella tells him he has one
that should be #1...just Hairection!
KrisB: better than when Rob calls it the bouffaint
theficclub: #1 it is.
So it was written.. it shall be done
KrisB: must mention that she writes smutty fanfic too
ikss: WHO DOES?
Sorry - caps lock – not yelling
theficclub: ?
KrisB: Bella
in the story
Bella writes smutty fanfic
ikss: OH!
sorry.
theficclub: oooooh that's right.. I forgot about the smut
ikss: so do we have our assignments for next week?
theficclub: Are we all primarily caught up on SoaPM?
KrisB: I am a SoaPM virgin
but I have read the FFFA outtake
theficclub: ooooh... think you can knock it out in a week?
ikss: well get to readin!
it will fly by, I swear
the FFFA outtake was uber-hot
KrisB: only if ikss stops recommending things and I don't get any more beta work - we are supposed to have a mother of a snow storm
ikss: OK kids
theficclub: Well, this was pretty cool....
until next week then?
ikss: yes next week
theficclub: turning into a pumpkin.
Thanks for coming out to play
KrisB: thanks for having us
theficclub: yes...
ikss: so chele are you gonna pretty this nonsense up and post it?
theficclub: I may do excerpts...
but I think to do the whole will violate the rules of fic club
KrisB: you don't think the entire missive is priceless?
theficclub: whatever they are
ikss: what rules?
KrisB: we have RULES?
ikss: exactly
theficclub: Rule #1
Do not talk about Fic Club
That's as far as I've made it.
So Let's just keep it vague and random...
KrisB: #2 don't eat yellow snow
theficclub: or for Twanza... ambiguous.
KrisB: #3 put the fucking seat down when you're done and try to hit the fucking water
theficclub: yeah... good luck with that
KrisB: use cheerios if you need a target
ikss: OK, I sense a personal rant coming on here
walk away, Kris
theficclub: haha on that note.
I am off like a prom dress..
ikss: Bye kids!
ikss: so where do i stand in line to kick twanza's ass?
**
So in summation, here are the top ten things we have learned from reading Sanctuary:
10) Edward makes One Sexy Priest.
9) When you climb through a Priest’s window at night and ask to touch his erect penis, you may become known as the town slut.
8) Writing smutty fiction is a great way to get under your priest’s robes.
7) Always hide the wet spot when Mikey comes to collect the laundry.
6) Only Edward can make riding a moped seem sexy.
5) The Confessional Wank is the sexist wank of all.
4) The rubbing of one’s naughty bits against the grate of a confessional can be painful and may well be unsanitary.
3) Always share your weed with your priest (or at least offer. It’s the polite thing to do).
2) God Bless Lactation.
1) Hairection!
We hope that each of you will take some time to read Sanctuary, for it is truly one of the fandom’s great treasures.
This week (Thursday, February 11, 7:00pm PST), we will be discussing Son of a Preacher Man by LaViePastiche. If you would like to join in the discussion, please ping theficclub@gmail.com between 6:55 – 7:05 for inclusion. Up to six participants will be chosen during a completely random and arbitrary process. Until further notice, the gchat function will be used for these discussions.
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